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Wednesday, December 5, 2012

On the fundamental question--evolution or creation?--Americans are on the fence. According to one survey, while 61% of Americans believe we have evolved over time, 22% believe this evolution was guided by a higher power, with another 31% on the side of creationism. For some, modern science debunks many of religion's core beliefs, but for others, questions like "Why are we here?" and "How did it all come about?" can only be answered through a belief in the existence of God. Can science and religion co-exist?

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    Lawrence Krauss

    Director, Origins Project and Foundation Professor, ASU

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    For

    Michael Shermer

    Founding Publisher of Skeptic magazine and author

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    Ian Hutchinson

    Professor of Nuclear Science and Engineering, MIT

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    Dinesh D'Souza

    Author, What's So Great About Christianity


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      John Donvan

      Author & Correspondent for ABC News

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Lawrence Krauss

Director, Origins Project and Foundation Professor, ASU

Lawrence Krauss is an internationally known theoretical physicist. He is the Director of the Origins Project and Professor of Physics at the School of Earth and Space Exploration at Arizona State University. Krauss has written several bestselling books including A Universe From Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather Than Nothing (2012). Passionate about educating the public about science to ensure sound public policy, Krauss has helped lead a national effort to defend the teaching of evolution in public schools. He currently serves as Chair of the Board of Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.

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For The Motion

Michael Shermer

Founding Publisher of Skeptic magazine and author

Michael Shermer is the Founding Publisher of Skeptic magazine and Editor of Skeptic.com, a monthly columnist for Scientific American, and an Adjunct Professor at Claremont Graduate University and Chapman University. Shermer’s latest book is The Believing Brain: From Ghosts and Gods to Politics and Conspiracies—How We Construct Beliefs and Reinforce Them as Truths (2011). He was a college professor for 20 years, and since his creation of Skeptic magazine, has appeared on such shows as The Colbert Report, 20/20, and Charlie Rose. Shermer was the co-host and co-producer of the 13-hour Family Channel television series Exploring the Unknown.

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Ian Hutchinson

Professor of Nuclear Science and Engineering at MIT

Ian Hutchinson is a physicist and Professor of Nuclear Science and Engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He and his research group are international leaders exploring the generation and confinement (using magnetic fields) of plasmas hotter than the sun's center. This research, carried out on a national experimental facility designed, built, and operated by Hutchinson's team, is aimed at producing practical energy for society from controlled nuclear fusion reactions, the power source of the stars. In addition to authoring 200 research articles about plasma physics, Hutchinson has written and spoken widely on the relationship between science and Christianity. His recent book Monopolizing Knowledge (2011) explores how the error of scientism arose, how it undermines reason as well as religion, and how it feeds today's culture wars and an excessive reliance on technology.

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Dinesh D'Souza

Author, What's So Great About Christianity

A New York Times bestselling author, Dinesh D’Souza, has had a distinguished 25-year career as a writer, scholar and intellectual. A former Policy Analyst in the Reagan White House, D’Souza also served as an Olin Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute as well as a Rishwain Scholar at the Hoover Institution at Stanford. Called one of the “top young public-policy makers in the country” by Investor’s Business Daily, he quickly became a major influence on public policy through his writings. In 2008 D’Souza released the book, What’s So Great About Christianity, the comprehensive answer to a spate of atheist books denouncing theism in general and Christianity in particular. D'Souza is also the former President of The King’s College in NYC,

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62% voted the same way in BOTH pre- and post-debate votes (31% voted FOR twice, 24% voted AGAINST twice, 8% voted UNDECIDED twice). 38% changed their mind (6% voted FOR then changed to AGAINST, 2% voted FOR then changed to UNDECIDED, 7% voted AGAINST then changed to FOR, 2% voted AGAINST then changed to UNDECIDED, 13% voted UNDECIDED then changed to FOR, 8% voted UNDECIDED then changed to AGAINST) | Breakdown Graphic

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    • Comment Link Rana Wednesday, 05 December 2012 20:37 posted by Rana

      Man created god..not the other way round..that is what is logical...and rational :)end of story.

    • Comment Link Jennifer Wednesday, 05 December 2012 20:35 posted by Jennifer

      Christianity never thought me not to ask questions :)
      The argument is whether or not i agree when the 'revelation' is presented.

    • Comment Link Jorden Wednesday, 05 December 2012 20:34 posted by Jorden

      I would consider this to be a program that more intelligent people watch. I find it funny how a vast majority of the people, off the bat, voted that science does refute god. Not to mention the fact that a majority of the most intelligent scientists, in recent years, are in fact athiest. I also think that it is funny how Denish keeps attacking how old Darwinism is and how it is "the only strong argument." Which belief is older, Darwinism or Christianity?

    • Comment Link Jason Wednesday, 05 December 2012 20:31 posted by Jason

      The arguments against the motion are propose that they are consistent with reason. This is deeply misguided as we can see how conditional that so-called reason is by borrowing a rhetorical tool to re-frame those arguments.

      In constructing the arguments against motion you have no tools that can clearly distinguish that Science fails to refute God without also equipping the individual with tools to say that Science fails to refute Unicorns, Russel's teapots, Flying Spaghetti Monsters and other such claims which could always be grounded in experience, but are not. If we think they are not by something other than pure happenstance, we are asking a how question, and we would not want our answer to come from a religious epistemology, we want an epistemology that can speak directly to reality.

    • Comment Link Mark Spendel Wednesday, 05 December 2012 20:11 posted by Mark Spendel

      Rabbits in Precambrian rocks.....man.

    • Comment Link hilaryfox Wednesday, 05 December 2012 20:02 posted by hilaryfox

      Following the debate from Mexico and so far so good! D'Sousa makes good sense!

    • Comment Link Ned Carter Wednesday, 05 December 2012 19:56 posted by Ned Carter

      The dark ages are proof of the churches destruction of science. The idea that the Church propelled science forward is absurd. They funded science, they decided what was or was not true, and they destroyed what they did not like. We could be intergalactic explorers if not for the 500+ years of darkness and despair brought to you by Monotheism, its wars, its murder, and its dishonesty.

    • Comment Link Fabiodej Wednesday, 05 December 2012 19:29 posted by Fabiodej

      evolution is a fact: half true. the point of dispute is darwnism and its mechanism. that's not sill established at all.

    • Comment Link hilaryfox Wednesday, 05 December 2012 19:24 posted by hilaryfox

      Following the debate from Mexico and so far so good! h

    • Comment Link Joe S Wednesday, 05 December 2012 19:21 posted by Joe S

      @Tuesday, 04 December 2012 00:14
      posted by Craig Manoukian
      "If we evolved from apes, why are there still monkeys and apes?"

      Craig, under evolutionary theory, today's monkeys and apes likewise evolved from an ancient predecessor. At some time in the distant past, what we see today as "modern" humans, monkeys and apes all shared a common ancestor. It's not that "modern" apes have been around unchanged for millions of years and "modern" humans splintered off on their own separate path.

    • Comment Link hilary fox Wednesday, 05 December 2012 19:17 posted by hilary fox

      Robert R. was great! I'm in Mexico and I feel as if I'm there with you!

    • Comment Link Bill Wednesday, 05 December 2012 19:03 posted by Bill

      I don't think science refutes the existence of god; common sense refutes the existence of god.

    • Comment Link Bryan Leed Wednesday, 05 December 2012 18:37 posted by Bryan Leed

      Dinesh D'Souza has a great strength in reasoning out all the faith-based aspects of atheism, since atheism is so desperate to wrongly use science as an argument against the existence of God. At which point the faith of atheists becomes scientism; not science, but rather a substitute religious belief that falsely claims science as the ultimate authority, not coincidentally devoid of morality in the yearnings of the atheist believer. There is nothing scientific about the Big Bang Theory, (nothingness explodes to create everything). As a matter of fact, the Big Bang Theory is an interesting description of how God spoke the universe into existence, out of nothingness and into becoming the universe, from one single point in time, just like the Bible has been saying for thousands of years!

      But Dinesh also has an unfortunate weakness. He is good at debunking atheist reasoning, but since Dinesh has a weakness in choosing to never debate using the Bible, Dinesh is very weak in promoting the Christian faith. Thus, I support Dinesh in his bravery to get into the arena with these debating atheists, but I also feel like Dinesh is missing out on spreading the Gospel. I wish he would start sowing the seeds of the Word of God, at least a little, in these debates. After giving the secular debunking of atheism, why not toss in a little Scripture that agrees with any particular point made by Dinesh?

      I also feel that Dinesh ignores the Bible teachings to his own spiritual detriment, hence his recent scandal of becoming engaged before being legally divorced from his estranged wife. In his public statements on the scandal, Dinesh said he was not aware that becoming engaged while still legally married was frowned upon in Christian circles. Duh! If Dinesh would please study the Bible as a believer, submitting to its authority in his own life, then he would know right from wrong, in Christian circles.

    • Comment Link Quinn Wednesday, 05 December 2012 18:24 posted by Quinn

      People who fight against God and win their temporal argument(s)…lose their soul for an eternity. What a loss!

    • Comment Link Claudia Wednesday, 05 December 2012 18:23 posted by Claudia

      God created science! Therefore all of science wouldn't be possible if it wasn't for God! If he can create something as amazing as science than he can create something as wonderful as humans, "who think because they are learned they know more than god and need not god".

    • Comment Link David P Wednesday, 05 December 2012 18:12 posted by David P

      @Shawn G
      The Christian faith is absolutely not believing in something without evidence. The Bible is the evidence. Can you prove scientifically that George Washington was the first President of the United States? No. You rely on a historical account. Is there a historical account from the time of Jesus that refutes the word written by those who followed him and witnessed his miracles. We have more documents providing evidence of the New Testament than many other ancient historical events that people commonly accept as true. Why is the Bible inaccurate though?

      So what if Hitler claimed to be Roman Catholic and some Germans also claiming to be followers of Christ prayed for him. The Vatican while never denouncing Hitler at the time never prayed for Hitler to live long and kill the Jews. They have apologized for their inaction. Even if they had, the fallibility of man does not mean God endorses something. Man has fallen and gone against God since biblical times when man actually had more direct interaction with him.

      And really? Science proves God to be false. Please show me this new evidence. Please tell me how science can disprove a God who created science. Some of those who you have to thank for knowing what you do were his biggest apologists. Newton wrote more about God and his creation than he did about science. Even Einstein acknowledged the existence of a God because without a God creating a structured universe we can understand and can rely on things to happen, there would be no science.

    • Comment Link Jennifer H Wednesday, 05 December 2012 17:55 posted by Jennifer H

      Renee - last time I checked historical narratives, poetry, prayers, genealogies, parables and the like weren't considered 'kindergarten' level material. Try to be less condescending and maybe more people will listen to you.

    • Comment Link Gil Wednesday, 05 December 2012 17:11 posted by Gil

      Evolution is a fact. Evolution is a fact. Evolutions is a fact. You can say it as many times as you want. It still does not change the fact that it is in fact NOT a fact.

    • Comment Link Dave Wednesday, 05 December 2012 16:40 posted by Dave

      Renee: Twaddle! But , remember ,your good heart hasn't been put ther your gene pool to have got this fare it must be hard wired.

    • Comment Link Gary S Wednesday, 05 December 2012 15:01 posted by Gary S

      What if ... what if GOD is simply One Consciousness and we all are comprised in that Consciousness? What if our bodies are nothing more than receptors, like a radio picking up radio waves, only the "waves" are Consciousness itself? What if everyone is right and we all see and hear the same thing but describe it differently?

      What if my radio is tuned to a different frequency than yours and as I describe what I am hearing you firmly and honestly (and rightly so) disagree with me because your in your experience you are hearing something completely different.

      Even if we are listening to the same frequency it's likely our interpretation will be different. Isn't that one of the marvels of the human mind ... to see things from different perspectives?

      What we believe is not relevant. It may stroke my ego to think my frequency is better than the next, but it's not. It's just different. And in the end, we're all tuned in to the same source ... call it GOD ... call it Consciousness ... call it what you will. It's all the same.

      Science is just on another frequency and describes it yet another way.

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