
Sunday, July 1, 2012
Natural gas, touted for its environmental, economic, and national security benefits, is often thought of as the fuel that will “bridge” our transition from oil and coal to renewables. The ability to extract natural gas from shale formations through a method called hydraulic fracturing has unleashed vast, untapped sources—by some estimates, the U.S. now sits on a 100-year supply. But contamination from toxic chemicals used in the fracking process has been the source of increasing health and environmental concerns. Can natural gas be part of a clean energy solution, or is it a dangerous roadblock to a fossil-free future?

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Op-Ed Columnist, The New York Times

Managing Principal at Analysis Group
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Managing Attorney at Earthjustice
Deborah Goldberg is a Managing Attorney at Earthjustice, the world’s first and largest nonprofit environmental law firm, where she focuses on legal advocacy and litigation related to global warming and environmental health. Originally established as the Sierra Club Legal Defense Fund, Earthjustice provides legal representation—at no cost—to more than 1,000 clients, ranging from large national groups such as the Natural Resources Defense Council and the National Audubon Society, to smaller community coalitions, such as Friends of the Everglades. Before joining Earthjustice, Goldberg was the Democracy Program Director of the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law.
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Watershed Program Director at Riverkeeper
Katherine Hudson is the Watershed Program Director at Riverkeeper, a member-supported watchdog organization dedicated to defending the Hudson River and protecting the drinking water supply of nine million New York City and Hudson Valley residents. It is led by President Paul Gallay and its Chief Prosecuting Attorney Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Hudson joined Riverkeeper after nearly 25 years spent in government protecting the environment of New York State. Hudson has been Assistant Attorney General in the office’s Environmental Protection Bureau, and has served in the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, working in all program areas, including air quality, water quality, solid and hazardous waste and mining.
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Op-Ed Columnist, The New York Times
Joe Nocera is an op-ed columnist. Before joining The Opinion Pages, he wrote the Talking Business column for The New York Times and was a staff writer for The New York Times Magazine. He also serves as a regular business commentator for NPR's Weekend Edition with Scott Simon. Before joining The Times, Nocera spent 10 years at Fortune Magazine, where he held a variety of positions, including contributing writer, editor-at-large, executive editor and editorial director. His most recent book, co-written with Bethany McLean, is All The Devils: The Hidden History of the Financial Crisis, their bestselling account of the financial crisis.
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Managing Principal at Analysis Group; Former Assistant Secretary for Policy at U.S. Dept. of Energy
Susan Tierney is a Managing Principal at Analysis Group, where she specializes in the electric and gas industries. She has consulted to companies, governments, non-profits, and other organizations on energy markets, economic and environmental regulation and strategy, and energy facility projects. A former Assistant Secretary for Policy at the U.S. Department of Energy and state public utility commissioner, she is a member of the Bipartisan Policy Center’s energy project and the Secretary of Energy's Advisory Board. She was appointed to the National Petroleum Council and serves as an ambassador for the U.S. Clean Energy Education & Empowerment program, an initiative of the Department of Energy and MIT.
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BHP said the technology was “safe when coplued with sound operating practices”, adding that it “has joined more than 20 other companies to voluntarily disclose the chemical additives used in the hydraulic fracturing process”.Jill Wiener, an anti-fracking activist in Livingston Manor, New York, echoed sentiments evident in US anti-fracking blogs and citizen groups. “It’s nice to say they will voluntarily disclose the chemical additives, but at the end of the day we are still dealing with toxic substances that foul our water and taint our aquifers.”
BHP said the technology was “safe when cpouled with sound operating practices”, adding that it “has joined more than 20 other companies to voluntarily disclose the chemical additives used in the hydraulic fracturing process”.Jill Wiener, an anti-fracking activist in Livingston Manor, New York, echoed sentiments evident in US anti-fracking blogs and citizen groups. “It’s nice to say they will voluntarily disclose the chemical additives, but at the end of the day we are still dealing with toxic substances that foul our water and taint our aquifers.”
Fracking's safety and etfecfiveness is all about the quality of the operator and the exercise of power by the state. Interview the Shell Oil experts who are confident fracking can be safe and effective. Interview the Sierra Club of Texas to find out how the state's environmental "protection" agency is unlikely to impose on all operators the higher standards of fracking that dependable companies like Shell Oil espouses. Interview the Governor of Texas and ask him why he protects Wyoming and Montana coal interests to supply dirty Texas coal fired electric plants instead of creating clean air and low cost energy and most importantly lasting jobs, jobs, jobs, for Texas, by turning to a domestic natural gas energy policy. These are the issues you should be addressing. Domestic natural gas production can be safe. Until the cost and efficiency and technological gap of solar, wind, and clean low cost alternaives are achieved, it is our nation's only realistic hope in the near future for jobs, clean air, energy independence, and the national security all of that brings to us.
Fracking's safety and efinvtfceeess is all about the quality of the operator and the exercise of power by the state. Interview the Shell Oil experts who are confident fracking can be safe and effective. Interview the Sierra Club of Texas to find out how the state's environmental "protection" agency is unlikely to impose on all operators the higher standards of fracking that dependable companies like Shell Oil espouses. Interview the Governor of Texas and ask him why he protects Wyoming and Montana coal interests to supply dirty Texas coal fired electric plants instead of creating clean air and low cost energy and most importantly lasting jobs, jobs, jobs, for Texas, by turning to a domestic natural gas energy policy. These are the issues you should be addressing. Domestic natural gas production can be safe. Until the cost and efficiency and technological gap of solar, wind, and clean low cost alternaives are achieved, it is our nation's only realistic hope in the near future for jobs, clean air, energy independence, and the national security all of that brings to us.
The request here is to vote for or against the motion which, apparently is confusing some people.
If you are against fracking, you vote FOR the motion.
Deborah Goldberg was the most knowledgeable of the group and presented brilliant arguments. Learn something - listen to her arguments carefully!
I think both sides did a poor job of arguing the case with the exception of Ms Tierney. I think it would be good for them to give their sources -- their could not have been "hundreds" of drill rigs around Erie, CO. Their are only 1900+ total in the U.S., and last week their was 61 in Colorado. Also, no way does it take 4,000 trucks to haul in equipment and supplies for one well. Just a couple of the things I remember that were blown out of proportion.
For all of you AGAINST FRACKING, there is an even more ominous threat.
Every day, Billions (not Millions!) of gallons of scarce water are used, thousands of pounds of unidentified petrochemicals are dispersed on unprotected soil, untold native species of plants, animals, and insects are purposely displaced (or even killed!), a huge fraction of the Earth has been clear-cut to support this horrible scourge! The US Government is even proud to subsidize this affront to nature. We should write regulations to make them STOP until the government spends more time/money studying what they are doing!
Who are these evil people? They are called "Farmers."
It seems there is a great fear of chemicals among those posting on this subject. I wonder how many of those same people have the same fear of what is in their laundry room (acids, bases, surfactants) or in their cars (glycols, carcinigens in rubber and lubricants) since it is mostly the same stuff as is used in fracking. And what starts in your laundry room eventually ends up in the drain, and what's in a car accident ends up in a storm sewer. To be consistent, shouldn't we outlaw washing and driving?
drill baby drill
One thing which really irritates me in a debate is the false argument of straw manning. Taking an opponents position, exagerating it, and then arguing against the exageration rather than the actual position. Mr. Tierney did this very quickly, right after she essentially argued that slowing down the boom can't be done anyway ( a clearly false argument). To me her argument failed miserably.
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